on a federal law, championed by ted kennedy, signed by bill clinton. it says if you are going to substantially burden someone's exercise of a religion -- there has to be a compelling governmental interest at stake. >> pretty big -- >> the anti-gay, it was completely false. >> let me say a couple things about that. first of all, that minor expansion, it opened up a whole pandora's box. the only justifications were anti-gay justifications. that blew it up. not 57 problems, it's to do with gay folks. i'm going to tell you one thing. i'm passionate about this and a lot of people are. the one great achievement of the last century, we took out of the american lexicon six words, we don't serve your kind here. we took those out. e civil rights movement to do it. dr. king got killed trying to do that. we don't serb your kind here is not acceptable anymore. those no blacks allowed signs came down, we don't to want see no gay signs in this country. it was a very emotional issue -- >> that's not what it would have done. >> absolutely. >> if you own a coffee shop and refuse to serve a gay person, one, you'